"You can't wear out the Indian Scout or its' brother the Indian Chief. 
They're built like rocks to take hard knocks. 
It's the Harleys that cause the grief."
 

-classic Indian Motorcycles sales jingle

 


" Something old, Something new ... "
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How does technology advance over the years?  This is an interesting visual comparison between twenty years, two decades, of the Honda middleweight sport bike evolution and the changes that took place from 1984 to 2004.  For those of you who don't understand why a sport bike would double in price in ten years, it's the value of the dollar changing in that time period.  I remember when a Corvette was a $12,000 sports car.  Hell, I remember when a Corvette was a $6000 sports car but then people didn't make much per year back then either.  Money changes, and so to apparently do motorcycles, unless they're made by Harley Davidson...

 

** The NEW toy **
Specifications 1984 Honda VF500F 1995 Honda CBR600F3 2004 Honda CBR600RR1988 Honda VF750C Super Magna
Engine Type 4-stroke liquid-cooled V4 4-stroke liquid-cooled
 In-line four cylinder
4-stroke liquid-cooled
 In-line four cylinder
4-stroke liquid-cooled V4
Displacement 498cc (30cid) 599cc (36cid) 599cc (36cid)748cc (45cid)
Bore x stroke 60.0 x 44.0mm 65.0 x 45.2mm 67.0 x 42.5mm70.0 x 48.6mm
Compression ratio 11.0:1 12.0:1 12.0:110.2:1
Valve System chain driven double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder chain driven double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder, adjusting shims chain driven double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinderchain driven double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder
Induction Keihin CVKD 32mm x 4 carburetors Keihin semi-downdraft CV, 4x36mm
Ram forced air box
Dual stage PGM-FI fuel injection
8x fuel injectors
Ram forced air box
Keihn CVKD 32mm x 4 carburetors
Ignition Transistorized Digital Computer-controlled digital transistorized with three-dimensional mappingDigital
Starting Electric Electric ElectricElectric
Horsepower 66bhp @ 11,500rpm 91.7hp @ 11,750rpm 115 hp @ 13,25088hp @ 9,500 rpm
Torque 31.7 lbs/ft @ 10,500rpm 43.6 lbs/ft  @ 10,250rpm 44.5 lbs. / ft @ 11,25047 lbs. /ft @ 10,000 rpm
Transmission 6-speed 6-speed Close-ratio six speedClose-ratio six speed, hydraulic clutch
Frame Type Steel perimeter, twin spar Aluminum, pressed Aluminum, extrudedDouble downtube, full cradle steel frame
Rake / trail 27 degrees / 4.0 inches 25.0 degrees / 3.7 inches 24.0 degrees / 3.7 inches35 degrees / 6.0 inches
Wheelbase 55.9 inches 55.5 inches 54.7 inches65.4 inches
Suspension- Front Telescopic fork, air assist, Honda TRAC 41mm Showa, adjustments for spring preload, rebound damping 45mm HMAS cartridge fork with spring-preload, rebound- and compression damping adjustabilityCenter-axle telescopic fork with 6.1 inches (155mm) of travel
Suspension- Rear Single shock swing arm Honda Pro-Link, one Showa damper, adjustments for spring preload, rebound and compression damping Unit Pro-Link HMAS single-shock with spring-preload, rebound- and compression damping adjustability2 Shock absorbers adjustable for spring preload, steel/tube section box steel  swing arm 
Tires, Front / Rear Tubeless radial; 100/90VR16; 100/90VR18 Tubeless radial; 120/60ZR17; 160/60ZR17 Tubeless radial; 120/70ZR-17; 180/55ZR-17Tubeless radial; 100/90VR19; 150/80VR15
Brakes- Front Dual 10 inch discs Dual 296mm discs with twin piston calipers Dual 310mm discs with four-piston calipersHydraulic, 316mm single disc with twin piston caliper
Brakes- Rear Single 10 inch disc Single 220mm disc with single piston caliper Single 220mm disc with single-piston caliperPod actuated, expanding shoe drum
Seat height 31.5 inches 31.9 inches 32.3 inches28.1 inches
Fuel Capacity 4.5 gallons 4.5 gallons 4.8 gallons3.4 gallons
Dry weight 406 pounds 435 pounds 370 pounds511 pounds
Performance 12.66 @ 102.14mph 11.26 @ 120.74mph 10.63 @ 130.22mph11.88 @ 111.28mph
Top speed 122mph in the 1/2 mile 145mph 165mph150+mph
Retail cost $2898.00 USD $7699.00 USD $8499.00 USD$4498.00 USD

And just for giggles, comparing my next to last sport bike to my last sport bike,
just to see how 9 years of technology changes the competition and the breed.

 

Specifications 1995 Kawasaki
Ninja ZX-6R
2004 Honda
CBR600RR
Engine Type 4-stroke liquid-cooled In-line four cylinder 4-stroke liquid-cooled In-line four cylinder
Displacement 599cc (36cid) 599cc (36cid)
Bore x stroke 66.0 x 43.8mm 67.0 x 42.5mm
Compression ratio 11.8:1 12.0:1
Valve System chain driven double overhead cams
4 valves per cylinder
chain driven double overhead cams
4 valves per cylinder
Induction Keihin CVKD 36mm x 4 carburetors
Ram forced air box
Dual stage fuel injection- PGM-FI
8 x fuel injectors
Ram forced air box
Ignition Digital Computer-controlled digital transistorized with three-dimensional mapping
Starting Electric Electric
Horsepower 92.0 hp @ 12,250 RPM 115 hp @ 13,250
Torque 44.1 lbs. / ft @ 9500 RPM 44.5 lbs. / ft @ 11,250
Transmission 6-speed with positive neutral finder Close-ratio six speed
Frame Type Diamond, pressed aluminum Aluminum, extruded
Rake / trail 24 degrees / 3.4 inches 24.0 degrees / 3.7 inches
Wheelbase 55.7 inches 54.7 inches
Suspension- Front 41mm fork with adjustable preload, 12 way rebound damping and 11 way compression damping 45mm HMAS cartridge fork with spring-preload, rebound- and compression damping adjustability
Suspension- Rear Bottom-Link UNI-TRAK with remote-reservoir, gas-charged shock, adjustable preload, 19-way compression and 4-way rebound damping Unit Pro-Link HMAS single-shock with spring-preload, rebound- and compression damping adjustability
Tires, Front / Rear Tubeless radial; 120/60 ZR17; 160/60 ZR17 Tubeless radial; 120/70ZR-17; 180/55ZR-17
Brakes- Front Dual semi-floating discs with four-piston calipers Dual 310mm discs with four-piston calipers
Brakes- Rear Disc with single-piston caliper Single 220mm disc with single-piston caliper
Seat height 31.9 inches 32.3 inches
Fuel Capacity 4.8 gallons 4.8 gallons
Dry weight 401 pounds 370 pounds
Performance 10.96 seconds @ 123.8 mph 10.63 @ 130.22mph
Top speed 153mph 165mph
Retail cost $7899.00 USD $8499.00 USD

 

 And now a comparison between my little 45 cubic inch 748cc rice burner (no where near the most powerful Japanese cruiser made) and Harley's big, bad mean old copy of a twenty year old Yamaha V-Max; the VRSC V-Rod (the most powerful Harley currently made even though its more of an import than it is a true Harley).  Of course, you do know that the designation VRSC really stands for  "Vaguely Resembles Something Contemporary."

 

1988 Honda VF750C Super Magna V452004 Harley Davidson VRSC V-ROD
Engine Type 4-stroke liquid-cooled V4 4-stroke, 60 degree liquid cooled V-twin
Displacement 748cc (45cid) 1130cc (69cid)
Bore x stroke 70.0 x 48.6mm 100.0 x 72.0mm
Compression ratio 10.2:1 11.3:1
Valve System chain driven double overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder Four valves per cylinder
Induction Keihn CVKD 32mm x 4 carburetors Sequential port electronic fuel injection
Ignition Digital Sequential, single fire non waste spark, coil on plug
Starting Electric Electric
Horsepower 88 hp @ 9500rpm 115 hp @ 8500rpm
Torque 47 lbs. /ft @ 10,000 rpm 74 lbs/ft @ 7000rpm
Transmission Close-ratio six speed, hydraulic clutch 5 speed dog and pocket, spur type first and fifth gears, helical second through fourth gears
Frame Type Double downtube, full cradle steel frame Steel perimeter upper frame w/hydro-formed main rails and bolt-on lower frame rails
Rake / trail 35 degrees / 6.0 inches 34.0 degrees / 3.9 inches
Wheelbase 65.4 inches 67.5 inches
Suspension- Front Center-axle telescopic fork with 6.1 inches (155mm) of travel Wide 49mm custom fork
Suspension- Rear 2 Shock absorbers adjustable for spring preload, steel/tube section box steel  swing arm Cast aluminum swing arm
Tires, Front / Rear Tubeless radial; 100/90VR19; 150/80VR15 Tubeless radial; 120/70ZR19; 180/55ZR18
Brakes- Front Hydraulic, 316mm single disc with twin piston caliper Dual 292mm discs with four piston calipers
Brakes- Rear Pod actuated, expanding shoe drum Single 292mm disc with four piston caliper
Seat height 28.1 inches 26.0 inches
Fuel Capacity 3.7 gallons 3.7 gallons
Dry weight 511 pounds 595.7 pounds
Performance 11.88 @ 111.28mph 11.91 @ 112.6mph
Top speed 150+mph 135mph
Retail cost $4498.00 USD
$11,424.00 (adjusted for inflation)
$17,995.00 USD

 



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